Loose fasteners on the eye where the starboard side stay is attached. The backing nuts spin when I attempt to tighten them. Very difficult to view/access from the transom inspection port. Any suggestions?
I can tell that you've put a lot of thought and effort into this repair. I appreciate your insights. Has the four tapped bolt padeye been tested in challenging conditions (high winds and big chop)?
It's been a while since I've been out in those conditions (6 foot chop or 35 kt gusts, but Wetas withstand that stuff well generally in my experience, Bruce Fleming will agree). My reasoning on further consideration is this: the ultimate surface that holds a screw joint is the area of the threads in contact. Screwing into a nut is not actually an advantage over screwing into a backing plate, the plate can't rotate/wiggle loose, but the nut can, and it isn't any thicker. You definitely get over three full threads (the rule of thumb for minimum thread count) with a M5 x 0.8 or a 10-32 screw, the backing plate is about 3 mm thick, about the same as the nuts. Hence, twice as much holding area (4 screws vs 2) leaves me feeling confident. The likelihood that the screw will strip in this context is very low. That happens primarily by cross-threading; a screw correctly inserted into a properly drilled and tapped hole is pretty darn unlikely to do that, particularly once it's held with threadlocker.
This is a problem that many people have experienced. Others have commented on the process of how to replace these screws in the ancestor to this forum. I’ve done that job, it’s a pain. On my own boat, I chose to replace the padeye, which is also a pain. However, I have heard complaints from multiple people that these padeyes are prone to fail, which leaves you with the mast down, needing a tow back to dock. So, why do a painful job and keep the suspect part? You choose.
I never found a replacement padeye with the same hole spacing, and I looked very hard. Instead, I chose one with FOUR screws, not two, I’ll explain below. I bent the base of the padeye to conform to the shape of the ama. The padeye backing nuts are easily accessed int eh factory before they assemble the two halves of the ama, after that they’re just about impossible. Crummy design. Though-hull fittings on the Weta are generally backed with a steel plate, which is the case here. Here are the steps I took: 1) cut the original bolts—the loose one has enough daylight to get a hacksaw or a Dremel cutoff wheel in there. Then wiggle it a bunch to get the other loose, or failing that, cut the head off. You can get the debris out by tilting the ama. 2) Figure out the extent of the steel backing plate. You can use a stud-finder, perhaps, or Superman X-ray vision, or just try drilling small holes where you want to place the screws, you may find as I did that the plate wasn’t centered behind the original padeye. Resign yourself to the fact you’re going to have to patch empty holes before finishing this job. The steel in the plate wasn’t very impressive (did the factory just use scrap from whatever?)—it was inconsistent, its hardness in some spots was high enough that I had to use cobalt drills to get through it, starting small, then getting to the final size for tapping. 3) Yes, you tap the holes, and forget that impossible idea of backing bolts. They tapped fine, use metric, SAE, or whatever seems right for your padeyes.
4) Check fit, patch holes. I used epoxy/silica filler, then painted because I’ve never gotten gel coat repairs to have the right color, and I have a lot of repairs. 5) Install the padeyes using thread locking compound on the screws. My experience has been fine with this fix, they have no tendency to wiggle loose and doubling the number of screws gets enough gripping power to make me not worry that there are no nuts.
Thanks for your detailed response. Your approach sounds like an easier repair compared to my thought of cutting a round hole larger enough for my hand to reach inside. Do you happen to recall who manufactured your padeyes?
I got them as part of a kit for sunshades, so no I don't know the maker. The diamond hole pattern helps, though, and I'm pretty sure you can find something similar online. In thinking about it, it was an older style padeye on the earlier Chinese boats that was most problematic, but nonetheless, the bolt + nut method is unattractive for this. Nobody wants to cut a hole that size in an ama, the structural problems would probably be ugly. The original method involved cutting off the bolts, then fishing new ones into place: I taped 6-10 feet of light fishing line to a drill bit, and dropped it through the open hole where the bolt had been, tilting the ama so that it falls toward the hatch. Then secure the fishing line around the end of a new screw (Not by the head, but the other end; using teflon tape here helps keep it thin), and pull the screw back through the hole, with the head inside the ama. Then you have to get nuts tight on the screw with the head inaccessible, that's part of the pain. You're left with a protruding screw long enough to bite you in the butt when you hike out. You can cut it short, but then you have no chance of retightening it is needed. Or cover it so that it bites a bit less sharply (the cap to a Presta valve bike inner tube is the ticket). Hence my choice to go a different route.
I can tell that you've put a lot of thought and effort into this repair. I appreciate your insights. Has the four tapped bolt padeye been tested in challenging conditions (high winds and big chop)?
This is a problem that many people have experienced. Others have commented on the process of how to replace these screws in the ancestor to this forum. I’ve done that job, it’s a pain. On my own boat, I chose to replace the padeye, which is also a pain. However, I have heard complaints from multiple people that these padeyes are prone to fail, which leaves you with the mast down, needing a tow back to dock. So, why do a painful job and keep the suspect part? You choose.
I never found a replacement padeye with the same hole spacing, and I looked very hard. Instead, I chose one with FOUR screws, not two, I’ll explain below. I bent the base of the padeye to conform to the shape of the ama. The padeye backing nuts are easily accessed int eh factory before they assemble the two halves of the ama, after that they’re just about impossible. Crummy design. Though-hull fittings on the Weta are generally backed with a steel plate, which is the case here. Here are the steps I took: 1) cut the original bolts—the loose one has enough daylight to get a hacksaw or a Dremel cutoff wheel in there. Then wiggle it a bunch to get the other loose, or failing that, cut the head off. You can get the debris out by tilting the ama. 2) Figure out the extent of the steel backing plate. You can use a stud-finder, perhaps, or Superman X-ray vision, or just try drilling small holes where you want to place the screws, you may find as I did that the plate wasn’t centered behind the original padeye. Resign yourself to the fact you’re going to have to patch empty holes before finishing this job. The steel in the plate wasn’t very impressive (did the factory just use scrap from whatever?)—it was inconsistent, its hardness in some spots was high enough that I had to use cobalt drills to get through it, starting small, then getting to the final size for tapping. 3) Yes, you tap the holes, and forget that impossible idea of backing bolts. They tapped fine, use metric, SAE, or whatever seems right for your padeyes.
4) Check fit, patch holes. I used epoxy/silica filler, then painted because I’ve never gotten gel coat repairs to have the right color, and I have a lot of repairs. 5) Install the padeyes using thread locking compound on the screws. My experience has been fine with this fix, they have no tendency to wiggle loose and doubling the number of screws gets enough gripping power to make me not worry that there are no nuts.